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Thursday
Aug132009

Has Roxy Done Itself In?

After DBTH broke the news of the Roxy's attempted comeback yesterday, Steve Lewis colors in the lines, saying that there is already trouble in paradise. The most current efforts to revive the space were led by Neal Erman, but the building's owner would only work with former Roxy frontman Gene Denino (real name). Those two couldn't agree on a deal, so the whole thing may be scrapped. Can anyone save it? Maybe, according to GNML, who says:

Although rumors of another group headed up by international DJ and all around nice guy Victor Calderone, spin right round like a record playing, Gene says he is not talking to them but is looking at another situation. My bet is John Blair who ran the long running gay-based Saturday night party will step up with investors.

Is anyone at BB really editing these pieces? Jesus. Anyway, no one really cares if the Roxy comes back or not. The community doesn't want it, and there is no proof that the consumers want this kind of operation either. But it's fun to watch these trains run themselves right off the tracks.

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Reader Comments (18)

"there is no proof that the consumers want this kind of operation." thank you for focusing on the real issue. can't bring back the old roxy on the strength of the old saturday night party. that was only one night a week, and the scene has moved on anyway. mr. black works better these days than "big gay disco", esp. "big gay roller disco," even though a turn or two on that old floor for the sake of nostaligia would be fun. parties like mr. black work because they're smaller (so it's easier to tailor the crowd), they don't tear up the neighborhood and draw un-fun official scrutiny, and are cheap: you don't have to pay a monthly nut for a lease, you just need to rent a space for one night a week. this equals cheaper drinks and door, which means more money to spend on everything else. you can also change venues easily, which keeps it fresh.

August 13, 2009 at 10:58AM | Unregistered Commenterchelsea old

the plans i read called for a few nights of roller disco and a large gay saturday night. the roller disco sounds fun, they were also doing a sunday roller skating day thing for kids and parents and community types. i think lots of people care about a relaunch of the 2000 plus saturday night gay party. it was really fun and was valid right up to the roxy's close. sometimes this column looks at the world with blinders on. there are many ways to have fun in clubs and certainly a hipster point of view is one of these but there's a big world out there with many things to experience. i think it's small minded to discount the value of a large gay club. i can't understand the statement "the community doesnt want it" .. the granting of the license to the neal earman group was going to happen on the community board level. what part of the community were you talking about? certainly the gay community in chelsea wasn't in opposition. news flash there are lots of gays in chelsea. mr black changes venues almost as many times as stuart changes his clothes. i think mr black is great but there is something spectacular when thousands of people gather to listen to great music on great sound systems. comparing roxy to mr black is futile. they offer different ideas.there's need and room for many ideas in this town. if community boards had there way half the clubs would be gone..you probably think thats a good idea... oh and my editor is indeed away... and my article was researched and written the day before i wasn't following dbth just on the same story and if nobody cares why did dbth cover it as well? we agree that these guys are really a train wreck. i guess the core difference between you and i scott is that i am saddened by train wrecks and the damage they cause on so many people while you and your snarky crew enjoy them.. with respect .. steve

August 13, 2009 at 12:14PM | Unregistered Commenteruncle stevie

Roxy will never happen- Gene will part with the name when someone pries it from his cold dead hands.
The day of the Big club is sadly over- this is a new breed, and the greed pulls them down within a 2 year span at top's. Look at webster hall- They better start paying those back taxes and stop thinking about putting in an all day coffee bar.
The "old guard" might not have been the most ethical of bunch- but yes the phrase
"Honor among thieves" meant something.
These children, they are so smug and filled with entitlement it's no wonder they are bringing NY nightlife down with them.

August 13, 2009 at 12:24PM | Unregistered CommenterHuh

One saturday night party for 2000 people is enough to justify the reopening of a club? Who would open a business just to be successful for 8 hrs of the week?

August 13, 2009 at 12:31PM | Unregistered CommenterWhat the

The rent better be 20K with No key- and not being on the hook for the back taxes.

August 13, 2009 at 12:36PM | Unregistered CommenterHuh

whoa. i'm not "snarky," nor am I discounting the value of a "large gay club" or a "2000 plus saturday night gay party" . . . both would be fun. both would also fail at $60K/month rent. news flash: there aren't as many club-going gays in chelsea as there used to be, and there weren't enough in '07 to fill the roxy more than one night a week. the four new condo developments near me appear to be filled with young, straight families . . . the old nabe has changed. the failure of the old roxy proves this. apart from the sat. night party, what's going to make money? hip-hop clubbing on skates? meh. a gimmick that would soon wear thin. better to open a bona fide roller rink in that space and host a "2000 plus saturday night gay party" once a week. birthdays, bar-mitzvahs and hockey leagues the rest of the time. the heyday of the big '80s clubs is NOT coming back, no matter how much we'd like them to. what's replaced them -- smaller venues that cater to specific crowds and tastes, is, in my opinion, far better than what the roxy ended up being at the end. you are right: "there's need and room for many ideas in this town: . . . but I don't think you're saying that it's wise to resuscitate "ideas" that have failed in the past, do you?

August 13, 2009 at 12:49PM | Unregistered Commenterchelsea old

Newsflash - just because we are gay doesnt mean we want a gay roller rink dance club. Stop stereotyping Steve

August 13, 2009 at 12:57PM | Unregistered CommenterCommunity Member

i didnt think i said the rollerskating nights were gay nights. i understand that it isnt the case. friday was meant to be big dj's and that would have generated loot as well. neal erman is a top tier corporate event s planner. he believed that the space could do real well. anyway lets see what happens. this story has legs...

August 13, 2009 at 01:12PM | Unregistered Commenteruncle stevie

Thats a good point Steve made.
It does seem like DBTH enjoys other people failing.

August 13, 2009 at 02:32PM | Unregistered Commenterveritas

Not true - we just try to call it like we see it.

August 13, 2009 at 02:45PM | Registered CommenterDBTH

Amen

August 13, 2009 at 04:24PM | Unregistered CommenterHuh

Though I'm a bit loathe towards big clubs - in my opinion, it's the smaller venues that are so specific that have pretty much ruined nightlife. The problem is that there are SO many places these days and everything is SO targeted to a specific demographic and segregated that it's hard to get anyplace going more than a couple of nights a week. No longer are the places that people went to every night BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD EVERY NIGHT. I've gone to Avenue more than a handful of times, and the place is so inconsistent, even on the same night, that I don't even know what to say.

And not going back so far, but in their glory days, Bungalow and APT were truly awesome EVERY night of the week. And neither of these are big clubs - but they catered to a distinctly more varied, interesting and mixed crowd. The next place that can do that successfully will be a winner. I'm straight, but all these het clubs bore me to tears. Not much creativity, way too much cheese, not enough class, and no personality.

August 13, 2009 at 04:40PM | Unregistered Commenterold school

i agree with you old school... i still believe all the ingredients exist for a great club but no one seems to be willing to be patient enough to go for it. there are lots of great nights but no really great club right now.

August 13, 2009 at 08:13PM | Unregistered Commenteruncle stevie

Hate to say this but it's not even worth the trouble. There are so many great parties going on in Brooklyn at different warehouses/lofts every week, where you aren't harassed and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to have a good party. They can run till the wee hours of the morning and the cops aren't telling you to lower the volume every 20 minutes.

Manhattan is just too costly. Too much red tape. That is why no one wants to go for it.

August 13, 2009 at 09:50PM | Unregistered CommenterSkooby

"Neil Erman is a top tier corporate event planner" uh, I don't think so Uncle Stevie LI bar mitzvahs is his thing (he did mine!) and it was awful

August 14, 2009 at 08:16AM | Unregistered Commenterbar mitzvah boy

Down by the hipster is full of shit.And so are its readers,some of the most prejudice ignorant biased losers are right here on this site.Thats why I never read this stupid site.

Btw I agree with "uncle stevie"

and this is why I only read steve Lewis' blog.

All of the narcisssitic pretentious superficial snobby losers come here.
See Ya

P.S. I know alot of gay people who would like to see a big club in New York

Mr.Black is a joke especially since it changes venues more times than a drag queen changes heels and Pacha is not enough,its a gr8 club absolutely,despite what some of the pretentious bottle service whores think,but it still aint enough.Not 4 a city as big as New York.

So while DBTH and its douche-bag readers speak for all of us and think they know what everyone wants

Truth be told Roxy coming back wouldnt be a bad thing.But since all of the snobby douche-bags have taken over the city.Roxy may or may not come back and the city will continue to loose its soul and personality

August 15, 2009 at 01:57AM | Unregistered CommenterJazz101.9

Dear Jazz101.9

"will continue to loose its soul"

Oooof. Don't throw curse words and hate when you can't spell....

Luv Ya!

You putz.

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