NYC is a crime infested disgusting city. manhattan still has housing projects lying around. and east village is one of the most disgusting urban neighborhoods i've ever seen: just a bunch of rundown apartments, crappy bars, and ugly hipster chicks running around.

if you want a clean, livable, safe city, Chicago is the place to be.

hahahahaha! get off it and stop reading a nyc nightlife blog if chi-town is so hot you fucking chach!

i've lived in both cities, and to "NYC's decline," i respond: would you rather have an inefficient, crumbling, public transportation system, horribly segregated ghettos, and a widely acknowledged corrupt mayoral family? your tax dollars might go to city beautification in lincoln park or lakeview, but there is nowhere in manhattan where i would be afraid to walk through at night. you can't boast the same of chicago.

oh, snap!

Please keep up the slurs about this place; it keeps whiny assholes like you away from the sleazy hellhole I wallow in. I want it to go back and stay as the disgustingly crime ridden shithole I love.

this chicago freak is really getting on my nerves. go away.

B&G's a rad little spot. Owner Mike's a good man. Reads Aqua-Man behind the bar. So there's that.

But B&G being robbed isn't the worst happening at that joint in recent weeks. Back in May, after attending a screening of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Worst Movie Ever, a few friends and I went for drinks at the joint. Bar brawl breaks out. And not just a moderately aggressive dustabout. Ultraviolent type shit. Some bald dude took a beer bottle to another patron's head, then started slinging bar stools across the room. Two of his thug buds started decking everyone in site, including a twentysomething girl (whose boy came to her defense, but got pumelled). Bouncer tried to break everything up, got a glass mug to the noggin.

After five minutes the bad guys left -- throwing a sandwich board at the crowd on their way east, toward 1st Ave. Cops came. Ambulances too. Kid with a bloody head was carted out.

Ref's story only confirms how dangerous and seedy NYC is. even innocent bar patrons get beaten. and yeah, don't get me started on all the housing projects in manhattan.

how is NYC's nightlife "world class" when it only has like 3 or 4 decent places? chicago has at least 15 clubs/lounges that are better than anything NYC has.

chicago doesnt even have that many places my friend

NYC's decline STFU. I live in Chicago and I've been to NY many times. Chicago is a great city but it'll never be NY. Spew on all you want about NY's crime but Chicago has 15 kids getting shot to death every day on the south side. The only difference between Chicago and NY is that we isolate the poor and crime to the south side.

Chi-Town realist, you point is well taken. and i agree that the poor and crime are limited to the south side, which only shows that chicago has successfully completed gentrification. cabrini green has already been torn down and will soon be replaced by condos. the people who are well-off in chicago live in luxury condos and townhomes while most NYC people live in dirty overpriced apartments that belong in calcutta.it's really too bad that NYC still has massive housing projects on manhattan and is not as gentrified as Chicago. NYC has a lot to learn from Chicago.

Now, why can't they rob the new places that caters to the "New Village People" like them yuppies and hipsters. If they want to live in the EV, then they should experience the crime that that was (and still is ) there. They're just insulated with their money and the color of their skin.

NYC's decline, why would you think gentrification is a great thing? All it succeeds in doing is insulating people from the real problems in their community which leads to complete indifference from the citizens and in turn their elected officials (much like suburbs). Honestly, a little more awareness by people of the problems in their community would be a good thing and might lead to an even better city.

Regardless, both cities have their problems. NY just doesn't try to hide it. To take the stance that "NYC is a crime infested disgusting city" is just uninformed and antagonistic and to suggest that Chicago is the model for all cities is silly. When Chicago gets to 10-15 million people we'll see how well it handles itself and then compare.

NYC's Decline is just a troll.

Anyone who truly believes Chicago is a better and safer place than NYC is just a troll.

Hey, NYC's Decline - hard numbers for you!

http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Chicago&state=IL
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=New+York&state=NY

And that's including all Boroughs, pal. I WISH that I would be able to walk through downtown Chicago at night without getting harassed and followed by homeless people at every block.

Funny how New York has nearly three times as many people as Chicago yet comparable raw numbers. Don't get me wrong, Chicago is a great town and morons like NYC's decline are far from reflective of the city's population at large (the Chicagoans I know are all good, decent people) but if you want evidence of urban decay there's a hell of a lot more of it it Chicago than anywhere in the five boroughs. When I visit Chicago I check out the downtown area during the day and high tail it back to gentrified Boystown/Wrigleyville to party at night at the behest of my firends who are locals since even they don't want to be milling about Downtown late at night. It's not like that in New York anymore. The entire island of Manhattan south of the 130s is safe 24/7 nowadays. Chicago's on the right track but it has a long way to go.