that's a lot of and's.

there are a lot more and's to the story, the worst place ever!

Noel is an over sized toddler with no people skills. He has burned every bridge he has ever set foot on, and continues to deny his fault in his ever increasing debt. Maybe when Plumm sinks he'll learn a few lessons in humility.

This was destined, Plumm was always horrible.

lets see if mommy bails him out this time

That place is still open!? Holy shit!

sounds like a lot of b.s. to me!

this is not true at all! i work at the plumm and we have been doing quite well lately despite the economy. thursday & saturday nights have been really strong, & noel ashman has worked with the same people for many years obviously they like & respect him a lot! this sounds like sour grapes from someone who could not get in1

i like the plumm alot it has great djs and a very upscale crowd i agree this sound like bs

i agree i like noel ashman he is one of the few really good guys in the slimy club business!

"..someone who could not get in" hahahahahaha You gotta be kiddin' really stop playing with staff credit card tips give us OUR money !!!!

terminator please elaborate on what that means. was he stealing from the staff?

HEY Truth (Noel), My girlfriend is a fucking bartender at the Plumm and she hasn't recieved her credit card tip check in over a month. I know you're in a shit load of self induced debt, but that doesn't mean you should be using money that doesn't belong to you, ie- the servers CREDIT CARD TIPS. Just this last Saturday she came home with only $60 because your upstairs party was shit, she also told me that she watched a bartender walk out mid shift because she hasn't been paid since she started working there.
Every night she comes home from work I have to hear her bitch about how horrible the place is. Apparently at the end of each night, all of your promoters line up and beg and beg and beg to be paid. The girls behind the bar are all looking for new gigs. Oh and Miguel, your Doorman and Bottle Host, is looking to nest somewhere else. Maybe you can bribe him to stay by paying him all the money you owe him.
"Someone who could not get let in?" What a fucking joke. Do you even show up to Plumm anymore Noel? Your place is crawling with underaged queens guidos, White and Black trash, and people who thought they were in Country Club. I hardly call that a tough door.
Oh and New Yorker (Noel) Your name is SHIT on the street. The only Promoters that will work with you are young 20yr old hipsters who are just getting to know the business, and washed up, old, cokeheads.
Enjoy your plummeting business and reputation.

in response to the honest truth:

WOW

he should just pay his staff what he owes them and then claim bankruptcy.

I miss Nells.

This place is hilarious. I get dragged there now and then, under the terms that there will be an open bar from 10-11pm. The last 3 times I've been there at 10 sharp, the bartenders denied that the open bar exists, even though the plumm's website promotes it. 3 times i went for the open bar, and three times I was denied. They are just trying to lure people there any way they can.

THE HONEST TRUTH is absolutely right... My friend used to promote at his old place 'Veruka'...after 4 successful nights of hosting parties he quit because he never got paid... He also invents fake parties to try to get more people in his club - by that I mean the fliers he sends out, like the ones on joonbug, are BS...

Before truth(noel) writes that this is not true, let me see how I know this.... well.... My gf is a model and had no idea who Noel was or what Plumm is... HOWEVER, her name and picture was on two of these fliers - for her birthday and for her signing party....total BS!!!!.... and honestly very, very sad.

And Noel, you care so much about getting a celebrity's name at your club for page 6 and what not...FYI - the people who go to a club because a celebrity went there are people you don't want at your club!!!

I've got too much other stuff to write, but i'll just keep it at this because the other stuff i'd write would really be a low blow.

THE HONEST TRUTH
plumm........"plummeting"
You're a pun wizard.

I heard all the celeb performances and appearances that were advertised never happened. Loads of BS. In the promoters' circles we also all know that Noel never pays. No promoter wants to come back here and have his check bounce or his cash be FAKE.
lol
Just kidding with the fake cash.
Take my advice, this place is shit now.

Ahhhh this is AMAZING, I've djed at Plum a number of times, last time being about a year ago, and it's always the same fucking story with Noel. You get to the point where he owes you 1 or 2 grand and in mid shift you say pay me or I'm leaving right now, literally stopping the music. This is a FACT and I'm sure a number of the guys that have worked there, even when it was "good," will back up this statement.

I hope Noel finally fuck's the wrong person and they sue the shit out of him.

The only ones getting in FREE are the mice. They have failed their last two BOH inspections.

Hey, Lovingthis,

He IS being sued. He's in a severe law suit with what was once his head of security. He owes him thousands of dollars. He's going to loose in court which means the poor baby will actually have to PAY the people that he hires.
Continue to love it Lovingthis, it'll only get better.

absolutely true i worked there, and am currently owed about 1000 dollars in credit card tips. noel ashman is a low life thief, he steals money clients give to his workers so he can go on vacation ! as if his trust fund wasnt enough....that place is horrible really. dont go there, the energy is so bad in there

Noel is a good guy, but a bad businessman. He does owe a lot of people a lot of money. I always refused to work at Plumm because it puts you in the position of having to run after him for money. Very similar to another club COUGH Room Service COUGH run by a well known and generally liked guy COUGH Rita COUGH who just doens't feel the obligation to pay people. What can you do...

i like the plumm alot always have a good time there

i am a promoter who has worked at the plumm from time to time and i have gotten checks late. but i have always gotten them! which is more then i can say for many other clubs i have worked at (room service, marquee, stereo etc) i dont think this article is fair.

and the little birdie is..................the owner of..... club if any of these people had a backbone(or a true story) they would post with their real names! untill then take what they say for what it is bullshit! Anyone can bad mouth a person or place giving fake names pretty cowardly!

i agree room service is by far the worst club!

Hey bs, The little birdie isn't the owner of whatever club. You think club owners are intimidated by the fucking PLUMM? Puh-lease. You give yourself too much credit Noel. The little birdie was probably one of your staff members who is entirely too frustrated in having to deal with your bullshit and bouncing checks that only come once every 2 months. The sad part is that the money you keep from them isn't even money from your pocket, It's their CREDIT CARD TIPS. If you would pay your staff accordingly and in a timely fashion, and without the staff member having to beg for it, this article would have never surfaced. Take the opportunity to learn from this and seize making this horrible mistake. The staff is the backbone of your or any club, when they are happy with you and their work environment, they will work hard for you.
Remember that people who work for you that you don't pay are called slaves. Do you want people to think that you are ok with this? Instead of covering it up, or denying it with multiple USER NAMES bs, truth, newyorker, talkofthetown, on this shitty website, Fucking do something about it. Fucking rectify it. Admit your faults, fix it and move on. You being a big baby about it isn't helping your already sour reputation.

yea maybe they dont post their names because they are still owed money. noel, i dont know how you sleep at night knowing that you steal money from your patrons, your employess. i always think about the poor barbacks and busboys -- how can they even put up with your shit. you have the nerve to go steal a couple hundred dollars from your employees when you make tens of thousands of dollars during your "ghetto night" parties. really, karma is a bitch....so just watch out

I worked for Noel a long time. He is most definitely withholding money from employees....he sets up meetings for everyone at the same time to make himself look real busy and makes everyone wait for hours to get there checks. When you finally get in the office he starts renegotiating with you...slimy little man...i cant believe people still work for him. It figures people like Samantha Ronson still let him put her name on flyers....shes another slime bag! They will all get it in the end.......does anyone really care that Mr Big is an investor in that shit hole club? I cant believe Tim Spuches went back to Noel. What a let down.....

I worked at the Plumm for a whole miserable year and the only reason I stayed was because all the paychecks were 3 weeks behind and I was afraid I wouldn't get my last 3 weeks of checks. Turned out to be true, it took me 4 months after quitting to finally get the last $900 owed me and that was after calling literally every day. I endured verbal abuse from that little shit, having to make a big deal over z-list celebrities and has-beens (Noel thinks that everyone who has been on one episode of Law and Order is a "celebrity"), and texting him every 5 minutes to tell him how empty his crappy club was when I worked the door. He calls page 6, or other gossip columns and makes up stories about the unfortunate celebrities who do come to the Plumm just to see his name in print. I took one night off to see my brother before he left to serve in Afghanistan for 15 months and he flipped out at me because I told my managers and didn't tell him personally I was taking off. This was all because Ice T was having a party for his wife that night and Noel wanted me to work the door.

I had quite a number of bounced checks, and the amounts were always off. All the promoters and DJs were always owed money and would have to wait around until 6 in the morning just to get a check which was pretty much worthless since they would bounce anyway. Noel Ashman is an ugly fat joke. He has a terrible reputation and people he calls friends talk shit about him behind his back. He'll make employees and promoters come in for meetings at a specific time and then show up an hour or more later. He also will tell you to dress a certain way while he comes in to his own club wearing one of the two t-shirts he owns and pants with a hole in the crotch. Plus he scratches his balls ALL THE TIME. So all the bad stuff written here about him is completely true and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit, believe me. Everyone who has ever worked for him I'm sure has a story about how he fucked them over. Don't EVER work for him, and don't go to his shit club.

I'm embarassed to say, but I used to be a waitress at Plumm (and NO I don't have to give my name for obvious reasons. I think they will know who I am anyway after they read the specifics of this entry). NEVER HAVE I EVER in all of my years working in the nightclub industry have I dealt with such UNPROFESSIONAL and INCOMPETENT people that I have dealt w/while working at the Plumm. For one, and I think this has been well established in the above comments, but I feel its very necessary to reiterate: the Ashman family, Noel and his mother Robyn in particular, are theifs. They steal money from their employees that is not even theirs to begin with! (ie.: credit card tips) I waited 6 weeks after starting the job, before I got a paycheck! The number of bounced checks they gave me was uncountable. Finally, they closed their account so the checks were worthless and thats why they would have their employees come in there at ridiculous hours like 4 am to supposedly pick up their money. After they bullshit you for hours, you finally realize that they arent going to pay you and you leave just to do it all over again another late night/early morning. Yes, they owed me money. And yes I eventually got the money but the frustration and aggravation that I had to go through just to get it was beyond UNNECESSARY! I left there crying some nights after being told to come get my money just to be escorted out by security as if they had never told me to stop by in the first place. I shouldn't even be wasting my time writing this but I think it is important for the public to know what happens to their money when they come here. Also, I have a lot of friends that I used to work with there that are just beginning their own battles to collect the money that they are owed. The bottom line is that Noel and his mom are struggling to pay the bills at Plumm so much that they are taking the credit cards tips from their employees and keeping it from them until they have no other choice but to pay them. They should just shut down. And they eventually will.

This is the most publicity the Plumm has ever received.

Noel is unprofessional dirtbag

The employees should review the Dept of Labor laws for NYS.
Why hasn't anyone contact the DOL and sue for their salary?
Why would anyone work for no salary? I guess Noel is smarter than anyone is giving him credit for.

i'm sure mommy will come to the rescue once again. he can't run a club. he can't make friends. everyone else in the business makes tons of money and noel just pisses money away! he is such a joke!!

noel is an ugly fred flintstone who does not understand business. his only girlfriends were coke whore waitresses he shared his habit with. i hope he understands what a loser he is!

a lot of people who worked there make a complain to DOL...its just takes time

noel and robin are a mother-son scamming couple who steal money from investors and employees. i hope they end up going to jail. noel will probably cry every night being away from his mommy who protects him.

i worked there when it was "NA" and I never got paid!!! Noel is an idiot. I agree with a post earlier about the bus boys and bar backs. he kept their share of cc tips and never paid them. he is a THIEF!! those guys worked so hard and noel just gave them the finger.

i worked at the door of the plumm for over a year. I did get late checks periodically but eventually got them.I generally find most of these comments to be unfounded and vicious. Tom tompson, cina and noel ashman always took my problems seriously and did address them i never found them to be shady in any way.To people like me who have been in this business for a while this was refreshing.

Curious to know who u r and what the f you are talking about...any1 that worked at Plumm knows how bad the situation was. The ideas that nothing shady was going on and that you felt refreshed by the scene there just kind of makes me laugh! I agree w/an above comment by Angry who said that even the energy in there is sooo bad!

Dept of Labor,

He IS being sued. His heavy case is with his head of security, and he also has two softer cases with his former waitstaff that are to be settled out of court.
He gets sued all the time. But thats the fucked up thing about him. He doesn't pay his girls until they take legal action against him.
He's a fucking mess.
And yes, with that over sized head of his, he does look like fred flintstone.

I hope everyone realizes that all the positive posts on this board are coming from Noel and/or his mom. He knows about this website and is probably shitting himself every night because the truth is finally coming to light for people to see. He is a sleazy little cum bucket who is a waste of a life and should probably go crawl under a bridge like the troll he is.

yeap, I agreed, sometimes we do get our checks late but we always do get our checks. And Tom, Tim and Noel always talk to us about everything that is going on. And now that Caesar is working there i am very happy about it, bcause he looks out to us and make sure problems and other things gets taken care of.
Ohh one more thing Robin did nothing wrong to any of us. so lets be nice about it and keep it to our selfs.

"who cares" is right, this is getting out of control. i used to work as a promoter for Noel and yes he is a tough guy to deal with but i always got my money. And i work with some of the best clubs in the city and i will be the first one to say that, everyone is going thru a tough time with this bad economy.
I dont deal with Noel anymore but I still give caesar some parties and he gets my money every time with no delay. So if anyone of you are having a bad time in getting your money talk to him or Tim. They been there in a very short time and they have done a really good job getting people paid.
So IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS A PROBLEM, TALK TO CAESAR OR TIM. AND THEY WILL FIX THIS THINGS.

the positive comments about noel on this board are just ridiculous. noel is months behind on all his bills.

NOOOOOOOOOO, I love plumm. I've been going to plumm for a very long time for Vegas party and it is always fun. I love the music and the fact that i can smoke inside. LOL

ps* I dont know who the owner is but if the promoters are not getting paid, u are all right in fighing for it. But lets try to keep the place open. We all have a good time there.

I want to just say that I witnessed a lot of really just bad business behavior by Noel Ashman. I did get paid all but my last two weeks (which I expected) and I laughed when I read the comment above about how he holds meetings....scheduling everyone at some random time like 4pm on a tuesday...then he shows not an hour late, but three hours late, at 7pm, with his cronies trying to apologize for him. I think he has some mental problems or is on some weird medication too...I saw him hit one of the waitesses one night, and that's when I left, and I never went back. the last two weeks of pay were not worth having to look at that cretin noel ever again!!

I am a waitress in the biz and if you know who that waitress is, tell her to press charge. I dont think that happen cause waitress on clubs are very tough and when something like that happen, first thing we do is call the papers